EMBARRASSING MEN

[Susie]

My MOH (in trousers)- appeared to take pride in being scruffy, unkempt and smelly.

My MIS - appears to take pride in being smart, co-ordinated and smells nice.

I know which one I prefer to be seen with and which one was a deep source of embarrassment and shame.

[Mouse]

My MOH (in trousers)- appeared to take pride in being scruffy, unkempt and smelly.

My MIS - appears to take pride in being smart, co-ordinated and smells nice.

I know which one I prefer to be seen with and which one was a deep source of embarrassment and shame.

Hello Susie, Welcome to the Cafe. I think men who are allowed to wear what they want, suddenly take a great deal more attention to the clothes they are wearing leading on to having more interest in the rest of their appearance. I know this is true for me, although I don't think I was smelly in trousers, although you would probably have to ask Mrs Mouse for an unbiased view.

[crfriend]

My MOH (in trousers)- appeared to take pride in being scruffy, unkempt and smelly.

Yikes! That could have been me before I adopted skirts!

I went through the 1980s and 1990s in full-blown male drab, and had precisely no interest in what I looked like (&c.) to onlookers. When I adopted skirts in the very early 2000s, my curiosity exploded, and in an instant became very aware of how I looked -- and it made a massive difference in my then-relationship. My late ex- all of a sudden had someone on her hands that all of a sudden cared about how he looked. She got a better "OH" and was ecstatic about it.

Face it, the male wardrobe is heinously dull, drab, and unimaginative. Branching away from that turned out to be surprisingly easy -- and very, very rewarding. I became a better person for it, and better prepared me for what would happen in 2015 when the whole thing went to Hell and I found myself a widower.

I'm happy for the good times, but at this distance it's looking more and more like, "Once upon a time".

[Barleymower]

Please don't be too hard on the unkempt man, he is dressed just as the world expects. A man is invisible on the street, he just mingles in with the other moving objects. No wonder he doesn't bother to wash. He probably thinks nobody will notice.

[DrFishnets]

What an interesting topic. When I dressed in drab boring men’s clothes like jeans, trousers, t-shirts etc I didn’t care for my personal hygiene. However, since I have started experimenting with women’s clothes like, skirts, dresses, leggings and tights I have noticed I have started taking an interest in my personal hygiene and I now wash every day and drown my body with deodorant and after shave and I need my clothes washed every day. It’s amazing what stylish clothes like women's clothes can do to you taking care of your mental and physical wellbeing.

[Grok]

My MOH (in trousers)- appeared to take pride in being scruffy, unkempt and smelly.

Yikes! That could have been me before I adopted skirts!

I went through the 1980s and 1990s in full-blown male drab, and had precisely no interest in what I looked like (&c.) to onlookers.
Face it, the male wardrobe is heinously dull, drab, and unimaginative.

Not pride, Susie.

For the average man*, the best he can hope for is Formal-but dull. (Traditional trouser suits). Other items of male drab are even less inspired, so it is not entirely surprising that men may just let themselves go. In the past, I was certainly inclined to.

*The very few exceptions include some dress military uniforms, and traditional kilts with associated regalia.

[Spirou003]

In terms of caring what we look like etc., to me it's more a question of either having a good reason to do, or it must come from inside. It is when I started to look for a romantic relationship that I started to care about it - I had a good reason to. Before that, I 've had a will to be coloured (I've always liked colors), so I started to look for coloured clothes - it went from the inside. When I was young, people around me tried to make me care more what I looked like, and all failed - it was not coming from me and nothing that was said by people was a considered a good reason to do so at that time.

[denimini]

Yes, since wearing skirts I have taken more interest in clothes however I can still look scruffy in a skirt working around the house and decide to duck down to the Post Office ............... still smarter than saggers with a drop crotch scuffing their way along

[Faldaguy]

My MOH (in trousers)- appeared to take pride in being scruffy, unkempt and smelly.

My MIS - appears to take pride in being smart, co-ordinated and smells nice.

I know which one I prefer to be seen with and which one was a deep source of embarrassment and shame.

Men's transitional clothing is designed to keep males in a rut of conformity without pride or individuality; whereas stepping out of that rut offers multiple directions for growth, so I will wager your MIS will start to shine in other ways too -- may both of you enjoy the ride! Thanks for sharing.

[Myopic Bookworm]

Wearing a skirt does affect your thinking. I went out in trousers today, and put on black boots, but after selecting a comfortable brown jacket I looked at my boots, I thought "nah!" and switched to brown ones for the colour match.

(I very nearly switched to a brown handbag too, but that would have meant a tedious transfer of keys, wallet, etc., and I was only going as far as the local garage, so I didn't bother.)

[Faldaguy]

My MOH (in trousers)- appeared to take pride in being scruffy, unkempt and smelly.

My MIS - appears to take pride in being smart, co-ordinated and smells nice.

I know which one I prefer to be seen with and which one was a deep source of embarrassment and shame.

Men's transitional clothing is designed to keep males in a rut of conformity without pride or individuality; whereas stepping out of that rut offers multiple directions for growth, so I will wager your MIS will start to shine in other ways too -- may both of you enjoy the ride! Thanks for sharing.

Sorry guys, missed a typo -- that was supposed to be "traditional" clothing -- could throw quite a slant on one's prospects!

[STEVIE]

Hi Susie,
Welcome to the Cafe, it is such a refreshing surprise to have a feminine voice around around the old place.
Sadly, many members, myself included, haven't met with your level of acceptance and enlightenment from the ladies we meet.
Your MIS sounds like a very fortunate fellow indeed.
Don't be overly hard on our trouser trapped brethren though, those poor souls are brainwashed from birth.
We try to spread the word, but it's a hard task.
With more people like you it may just get easier.
I am sure that we will hear a lot more from you in the future.
Steve.