Skirts in foreign lands

[skirtyscot]

I would be very careful if you visit fundamentalist Muslim countries. In many of these countries it ia against the law to crossdress and you can be jailed and possibly flogged. Be very careful out there.

I've just survived a skirted week in a fundamentalist religious place - Tennessee - without any problems, not even at the holy shrine of Graceland!

[Faldaguy]

I would be very careful if you visit fundamentalist Muslim countries. In many of these countries it ia against the law to crossdress and you can be jailed and possibly flogged. Be very careful out there.

I've just survived a skirted week in a fundamentalist religious place - Tennessee - without any problems, not even at the holy shrine of Graceland!

Heck, at Graceland they may have thought the King of Pop was coming home!

[jamie001]

It takes a lot of courage to go skirting in BubbaLand.

[skirtedlondoner]

Europe seems to be pretty chill with skirts on men. London, Paris, Malta, Spain. All good. No issues. Would avoid it in most of Poland though!

[jamie001]

Europe seems to be pretty chill with skirts on men. London, Paris, Malta, Spain. All good. No issues. Would avoid it in most of Poland though!

Why avoid skirts in Poland? The main problem countries are Muslim Countries with laws against cross dressing.

[skirtedlondoner]

Europe seems to be pretty chill with skirts on men. London, Paris, Malta, Spain. All good. No issues. Would avoid it in most of Poland though!

Why avoid skirts in Poland? The main problem countries are Muslim Countries with laws against cross dressing.

I am originally from there and I know what men over there are like and what they think

[Faldaguy]

Europe seems to be pretty chill with skirts on men. London, Paris, Malta, Spain. All good. No issues. Would avoid it in most of Poland though!

Why avoid skirts in Poland? The main problem countries are Muslim Countries with laws against cross dressing.

I am originally from there and I know what men over there are like and what they think

I do not wish to challenge "first hand" experience; but the claim "I know what men over there are like and what they think" echo's the oft cited comments from men all over the globe, many on this site, who claim to 'know' these things, yet other who have gotten past their own fear and reluctance have discovered they not only did not "know" what other's were thinking and like, but that they were flat out wrong -- the problem was in their own head. I personally have no first hand knowledge of Poland, but I certainly would like to hear of the specific experiences behind such claims. Their elections last year seemed to signal a pretty strong shift from the conservative government to a centrist one reflecting more of the attitudes of the 'hoi polloi". Granted the 'repressive' legislation was not a sign of tolerance; nor was it a signal of popular support.

[GerdG]

Regarding Poland, I once, may it be ten years ago, read about a movement, wanting wearing of the kilt forbidden. The reason was, according to the article, that groups of thrifty Scots - in kilts - would go to Poland because of cheap alcoholic beverages, and that they, when drunken, wanted to demonstrate to everyone in that catholic country that they were not wearing anything under the kilt.

I have never myself been in Poland, but my wife and I have talked about a trip to Warszawa and I should definitely wear a kilt, as I have done in very many European countries, as well as in Japan and the US.
I feel convinced, they can tell the difference.

[FranTastic444]

I'm going to be doing a bit of traveling in Italy this year,

I am also visiting Italy in late Aug and early Sept with my wife (COVID-delayed 50th celebration). We are / were due to travel with the wife's bestie and her husband but she has a brother who is at the end stage of glioblastoma so she is likely going to cancel her trip.

I have for a long time expressed an interest to my wife in skirting whilst on vacation. She is not a fan, but can usually rely on the fact that most of our holidays involve meeting up with friends as a reason for black-balling the idea. She has also stated that for this particular trip, clothing is going to be more relevant / important than normal due to the competing issues of very high temperatures that are being experienced and also the requirement to "dress modestly / appropriately" as we will be visiting many sites of significance to Catholics.

My counter is that, as we are not hiring a car and instead will be getting around by train, we need to pack really lightly and I'm sure that some skirts will take up less space and weight a good deal less than trousers. I don't think that I'll be winning this argument

[Coder]

She has also stated that for this particular trip, clothing is going to be more relevant / important than normal due to the competing issues of very high temperatures that are being experienced and also the requirement to "dress modestly / appropriately" as we will be visiting many sites of significance to Catholics.

My counter is that, as we are not hiring a car and instead will be getting around by train, we need to pack really lightly and I'm sure that some skirts will take up less space and weight a good deal less than trousers. I don't think that I'll be winning this argument

Bummer, but yeah, the same concern would be on my mind even if my family were on board with me skirting. Specifically, as you must already know, many/most church's have rules on proper attire - while they don't specify "no skirts" for men, and while MIS would be likely to be ignored - they do have rules on no bare shoulders and no exposed knees for men or women. Given that... I wouldn't even bother wearing one into a church unless I was wearing say, something ultra-traditional like a "proper" kilt.

I want to add - however - that you won't necessarily be going to churches everyday, right? For instance, if you went to a wine tasting or an olive oil tour. Certainly there would be no prohibitions on what to wear. Or even just going for a meal somewhere.

Lastly - and I'll bore you the details - but my sister - who in daily life never wears skirts casually - has been talking about only bringing skirts because they will pack light and be cool in the heat. Sheer stupidity on men-kind to eliminate a practical choice all because it's "forbidden".

[Mouse]

She has also stated that for this particular trip, clothing is going to be more relevant / important than normal due to the competing issues of very high temperatures that are being experienced and also the requirement to "dress modestly / appropriately" as we will be visiting many sites of significance to Catholics.
I don't think that I'll be winning this argument

I found this for the Vatican, https://www.thevaticantickets.com/vatican-dress-code/ it appears that shoulders and knees are the important thing to be covered for both male and female. Given that the men of the church go around in long dress type clothes, I would had thought that a long sleeved shirt and long skirt would be fine. Of course this is just my idle browsing and in no way is it advice. As for your wife, you could bargain for church days, trousers, non church days skirts. This is also not to be taken as advice.

[Faldaguy]

She has also stated that for this particular trip, clothing is going to be more relevant / important than normal due to the competing issues of very high temperatures that are being experienced and also the requirement to "dress modestly / appropriately" as we will be visiting many sites of significance to Catholics.

My counter is that, .... I don't think that I'll be winning this argument

The citizens do predominantly profess to be Catholic -- as in many places, this may mean for Easter and Christmas?

I've not visited the Vatican to validate the link Mouse found; but we have visited 'temples' in other places and indeed run into 'dress codes' or expectations -- but typically only for the most "holy" sites, not the village churches or such.

I can certainly attest to visiting Catholic churches in skirts; how often with knees exposed I don't know as I often wear longer skirts, but often enough to know I was never accosted nor told it was inappropriate. Here, where it is often warm, I know I've been in more than one Catholic facility with knees exposed, nary a word; albeit -- perhaps in light of the fact we were helping raise funds for a new building for them.... perhaps the fallback insurance is to keep a courtesy donation at hand!

You might emphasize to your S.O. that the Italians, especially the ladies do tend to seek to be elegant and fashionable .... perhaps if you are 'leading in fashion" you might be cut a bit more slack by her and on the street

[Barleymower]

I'm going to Switzerland with my family next week. We are visiting all the places from my wife's childhood for her 50th.

I'm fairly sure Switzerland will be like any other European country?

[GerdG]

I'm going to Switzerland with my family next week. We are visiting all the places from my wife's childhood for her 50th.

I'm fairly sure Switzerland will be like any other European country?

Between 2000 and 2016 I have every year been on long holidays in Switzerland. I guess, I have spent what equals over one year in skirts and kilts in Switzerland. And without the slightest of problems.
Have a nice trip.

[FranTastic444]

Lastly - and I'll bore you the details - but my sister - who in daily life never wears skirts casually - has been talking about only bringing skirts because they will pack light and be cool in the heat. Sheer stupidity on men-kind to eliminate a practical choice all because it's "forbidden".

So, so true The idea of packing for a trip with just a few tees, a few skorts, a pair of sandals and a small bag for toiletries really appeals.

@Mouse - thanks for the link. I fear that we are about to make the same mistake as we did for our 40th (when we went on a "trip of a lifetime" to visit Boston, NYC and DC. Never again! Little did we know back then that less that 3-years later we would be upping sticks and moving to the US to live). Anyhow, the big mistake we made with our 40th was to try to pack too much into each day. There came a point one morning when we were girding our loins ahead of another packed day of touristing when we both looked at each other over brekkie and we just knew what the other was thinking - "nah, not today". We went back to bed for a couple of hours before mooching around the streets of Hell's Kitchen until we found a nice looking restaurant (Hummus Kitchen, if you are interested. We try to get back here every time we visit NYC). We spent several hours at this place, steadily supping beers and sampling many dishes from the menu. After a day of rest, we were able to get back into tourist mode and continue with our original itinerary.