Hmm, Long time no post.

trainman · Post by **trainman** » Thu Nov 16, 2006 8:37 pm

I personally find that yes in a country as urban as britain, they seem to be a complete waste of space...

My beef is what Iain said in his first reply about how he drives around them. Put quite simply, it's offensive hat someone would even consider driving like that! I've been on the recieving end of that offensive style of driving for years, and would quite likely want to punch him in the mouth if he'd been blocking me out on the hgihway (hell, I once missed out on a job thanks to a truck blocking me on a twisting road in the adelaide hills). Hence I find driving like that to be one of the most dangerous and ignorant things possible.

BTW, as Iaian had in his original post, I doubt many of these things in britain would have a steel bullbar, most likely alloy, which is lighter, but also not as strong (will still kill a pedestrian though!). The one I have on this is STEEL, and has already saved me $$$$$'s by deflecting a roo one night. Can't say I approve of them in metro area's, but boy has it saved my wallet.

iain · Post by **iain** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:08 am

I think when people set out to create an obnoxious show of themselves on the road, they're going to have to expect resistance from other drivers. why have you been on the receiving end of people blocking you for so many years? I haven't. And some of the worst drivers in the world are in the UK! go figure it! could it be you're driving too fast?

what I object to is huge monster vehicles roaring up behind and expecting me to duck meekly out of the way. understand? I object to it--if people drive like that, they're going to have to get used to people being obnoxious back. oh, not politically correct, you gasp! punch in mouth! yeah, right.. that's really gonna happen at 70mph. all that will happen is johnny lardbutt will fume impotently for a few minutes and go home annoyed. fine with me.

but I've driven 30 years and never even had a scrape with any other vehicle while driving.

so there!

Departed Member · Post by **Departed Member** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 11:15 am

Ah, Iain! I can certainly see where you're coming from! Some of them even try and 'flash' you out of their way, too! Intimidation or bullying, call it as you will. The dreaded tail-gaters then try and 'push' you over the speed limit, so they can resume their 85-90mph reckless weaving. The fact is that they seem/act totally oblivious that they are the ones breaking the law, not you!

Big and Bashful · Post by **Big and Bashful** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 1:26 pm

Yes,
Vote for road rage! anyone who doesn't reach your twisted standards of roadmanship should be forced at speed into the nearest tree.
You know it makes sense.

Departed Member · Post by **Departed Member** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 3:32 pm

Big and Bashful wrote:Yes,
Vote for road rage! anyone who doesn't reach your twisted standards of roadmanship should be forced at speed into the nearest tree.
You know it makes sense.

Who are you having a go at with this? It's not particularly clear from your post.......

Big and Bashful · Post by **Big and Bashful** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 4:47 pm

merlin wrote:Who are you having a go at with this? It's not particularly clear from your post.......

Sorry, Iain really, or anyone who thinks it's clever to drive like a psycho to prove a point. I hope my path and his path never cross because I have been known to let my pent up aggression show on the roads as well.
Still I'm calmer now, the pills do work! Nurse! I've come over all peculiar again, fetch the hot towels!

talon2mech · Post by **talon2mech** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 5:36 pm

Thats a tiny little beast. Very nice! I am a big fan of the four wheel drive. You and I are in the same boat, we live where the countryside goes on for days and "urban squaller" is not reality. I live on a dirt road in the mountains of New Mexico. Winter is hell where I live and if I did not have my Suburban I would be stuck for 3-4 months.

I have found that only 1 in 100 drivers actually deserve to have a drivers license. Most people can't even comprehend the act of driving, let alone the complex series of rules that govern it...

talon2mech · Post by **talon2mech** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 6:36 pm

nitrox wrote:This is one of those threads that I just have to post about..

People in the US have so many of those damn things, and rich people who drive them aren't really very smart. If you're smart then you usually get rich by saving money and investing wisely. Obviously these people got very lucky to have what they have, and hard work isn't something they're used to.

Wrong, people who are rich usually(used loosely) buy sensible vehicles(Ex. rap stars, NBA players). Most U.S SUV drivers stake 50% of their income into financing one for 6-8 years. It is more of a symbol of perceived wealth rather than a symbol of actual wealth. This is why you see so many H2s and Escalades on the roads now. They think being in debt will help them look cool. It is truly pathetic!

trainman · Post by **trainman** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:47 pm

talon2mech wrote:Thats a tiny little beast. Very nice! I am a big fan of the four wheel drive. You and I are in the same boat, we live where the countryside goes on for days and "urban squaller" is not reality. I live on a dirt road in the mountains of New Mexico. Winter is hell where I live and if I did not have my Suburban I would be stuck for 3-4 months.

I have found that only 1 in 100 drivers actually deserve to have a drivers license. Most people can't even comprehend the act of driving, let alone the complex series of rules that govern it...

Nice looking Suburban. I've always had a soft spot for the Suburban and Bronco's! The LC80 is a little bit smaller than that one, but about the same size as my old car (my old car was in fact longer until you factor in the bullbar, and spare tyre carrier).

And as for the 1 in 100, I'd be surprised if even that many deserve there license! I know I should have lost mine a few times by now, but somehow I never get seen doing any thing silly or dangerous! And the only road rage I cause, is that of being in the left lane doing the speed limit.

iain · Post by **iain** » Fri Nov 17, 2006 8:54 pm

Excuse me, Big & Bashful, would you mind explaining why refusing to get out of the way of some obnoxious prat in his fat-arse creep mobile is "driving like a psycho" ?

why should I, if I'm in my lane, doing the limit, why should I react to some tailgater by getting out of the way? the psycho is the jerk behind the wheel of his mobile castle!

and in heavy traffic, it's usually obvious the guy has no driving style, because I can easily get back in front of him. but at 15 mph this isn't driving like a psycho.

I'll tell you something else, too: there's often little collections of flowers beside the road in the town where I live. and I know of at least two such collections which mark the death of children killed by the bullbars on an SUV. how do I know? newspaper reports showing the SUV in question wrapped around a pole and a picture of the deceased child. that's deceased, not diseased, for those who think they're=their=there, your=you're, etc.

if SUV drivers are so proud of themslves, and so uptight about people who don't like them, they ought to consider why.

Departed Member · Post by **Departed Member** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:19 am

Perhaps we should have those camera gadgets they have on some roads in Germany? They record 'tail-gaters' (critical distance between two vehicles at given speeds). That'd sort 'em out! But no, we have a plethora of 'revenue cameras', instead - probably the main reason driving standards have been (deliberately?) allowed to fall in the past decade. More 'speed cameras' = more deaths/accidents. If you don't believe me, just look at the 'growth' counties, Lincolnshire, Derbyshire, Oxfordshire and Nottinghamshire and check their tallies. Lincolnshire has many road signs boasting how many have been killed/injured on their roads each year. We'll not get police cars stopping folk in Notts as the current Chief Constable 'doesn't like' his constables having 'contact' with the general public - anytime - who says so? Weeell, we just happen to have a few friends in 'the force', and they ain't liars! The Sheriff of Nottingham rules? NOT OK!

talon2mech · Post by **talon2mech** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 7:17 am

trainman wrote:Nice looking Suburban. I've always had a soft spot for the Suburban and Bronco's! The LC80 is a little bit smaller than that one, but about the same size as my old car (my old car was in fact longer until you factor in the bullbar, and spare tyre carrier).

I love the Suburban especially the 3/4 ton (mine). I have to admit that I do like the land cruiser. Someday I will buy a nice old 60's cruiser for restoration.

trainman wrote:And as for the 1 in 100, I'd be surprised if even that many deserve there license! I know I should have lost mine a few times by now, but somehow I never get seen doing any thing silly or dangerous! And the only road rage I cause, is that of being in the left lane doing the speed limit.

I am a good driver. I do however, get quite pissed at the horrible drivers here. I swear they will give a license to any idiot with $35...

Big and Bashful · Post by **Big and Bashful** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:18 pm

Ah, this might not be about skirtery but it's fun none-the-less!
As a driver in Grated Britain I do agree there are many drivers in SUVs who leave a lot to be desired. There are also a lot of hat wearing drivers trundling sedately along deaf, dumb and blind to other road users. Out of all the drivers we have to suffer, the worst has got to be the reverse baseball cap fraternity, young males in their NED uniforms, driving shiny little hatchbacks (e.g. Vauxhall Corsa with exhaust big enough for a cat to sleep in) around like absolute madmen, with stereos that are loud enough to curdle milk playing 'music' that sounds more like a steelworks forging heavy steel, normaly with some sort of rythmic shouting over the bass. At least as each one wipes themselves out they leave the roads marginally safer.
Eek! I've just read that and it looks like the attitude of an old man! Next thing I'll be trading in my car for a Nissan Micra and a hat, drinking hot chocolate, wearing slippers, smoking a pipe and mumbling to myself.
As it is my current preference is a big saloon, V6 powered with plenty of grunt, good stereo that does justice to everything from Marillion through Sisters of Mercy to System of a Down, which sticks to the road like shot to a shovel and has rear wheel drive so it slides well when required and wafts through 500 miles without leaving you tired. It would be even nicer if it did 50 mpg but that just ain't going to happen, at least not with the ten year old cars in my price range!

Bravehearts.us · Post by **Bravehearts.us** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 1:27 pm

iain wrote:Excuse me, Big & Bashful, would you mind explaining why refusing to get out of the way of some obnoxious prat in his fat-arse creep mobile is "driving like a psycho" ?

why should I, if I'm in my lane, doing the limit, why should I react to some tailgater by getting out of the way? the psycho is the jerk behind the wheel of his mobile castle!

and in heavy traffic, it's usually obvious the guy has no driving style, because I can easily get back in front of him. but at 15 mph this isn't driving like a psycho.

I'll tell you something else, too: there's often little collections of flowers beside the road in the town where I live. and I know of at least two such collections which mark the death of children killed by the bullbars on an SUV. how do I know? newspaper reports showing the SUV in question wrapped around a pole and a picture of the deceased child. that's deceased, not diseased, for those who think they're=their=there, your=you're, etc.

if SUV drivers are so proud of themslves, and so uptight about people who don't like them, they ought to consider why.

Good reasons to stay out of their way! BTW...The first letter of a sentence is capitalized. So, there, their, they’re! LOL

Departed Member · Post by **Departed Member** » Sat Nov 18, 2006 2:19 pm

Big and Bashful wrote:Ah, this might not be about skirtery but it's fun none-the-less!
Out of all the drivers we have to suffer, the worst has got to be the reverse baseball cap fraternity, young males in their NED uniforms, driving shiny little hatchbacks (e.g. Vauxhall Corsa with exhaust big enough for a cat to sleep in) around like absolute madmen, with stereos that are loud enough to curdle milk playing 'music' that sounds more like a steelworks forging heavy steel, normaly with some sort of rythmic shouting over the bass.

Don't say you have that problem in your neck of the woods, too? A better description, I have yet to see! I've found (as a pedestrian), pointing at them and howling with derision and laughter as they try to look 'big', wheel-spinning away from traffic lights, often gets other passers-by to join in! Funny how quickly they take their foot off the accelerator.........!