Recent wrap-arounds

[Sinned]

Opinions please. What does anyone think about the latest wrap-arounds where the front apron corner hangs below the hemline of the back apron. Sort of like this one:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Ernestina-Zip ... 4ade44258c

I've seen an increasing number of them but I don't think that they look particularly cut for the wimmen. They look ok to me and I would certainly wear one if I could find one in a suitable colour cheap enough on ebay or in a charity shop.

Incidentally, if the normal "female" way is right-over-left wrap then I've seen a skirt marked as ladies which is wrapped left-over-right. Are they taking over that convention as well now? Whatever next.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PRIMARK-LADIE ... 5d5136c49b

[STEVIE]

Hi Dennis,
As you know well, I'm well into the "assymetric" look. That's what these are but short in the extreme.
That's fine too, as long as you have the confidence to carry it off, I would not.
I'd love to be able to find, or even commission, one in a longer length.
The "wrap", in all it's forms is almost perfect for the male form. Let's face it, almost all Male Skirts are based on that premise.
The right/left question is purely subjective, it was never "gender specific" in the first place.
Steve.

[Couya]

Opinions please. What does anyone think about the latest wrap-arounds where the front apron corner hangs below the hemline of the back apron.

Don't like it at all, at all at all !!!
It looks like an easy way out of shaping the skirt to fit the hips. Take a straight piece of cloth; it will not hang straight unless you sew darts into it to take account of the difference between waist and hip measurements.

Whatever the reason for marketing these things, I would not wear them.

I have also noticed many asymmetric skirts that have an inverted V pointing up to the pubic area -- for women, of course. Can you imagine such an obviously suggestive shape on a man? It just would not wash.

Women's clothes so often emphasize the sexually charged sections of the anatomy.
Being an old-fashioned ancient fart, I am constantly amazed with just how little cloth women can get away with in public places (bare shoulders, bare midriffs, almost bare buttocks, bare legs, low V-neck pointing down, and these skirts with Vs pointing up), where men are expected to cover just about everything and certainly not emphasize anything suggestive. It is hardly surprising that in some rape cases, the women have been told "they are asking for it" dressing in such a provocative manner.

What is it that makes girls dress like this? Is it in their genes (after all, our only purpose in life, from a biologist's point of view, is to reproduce ourselves)? I find it hard to believe that the dictates of the fashion industry are responsible for ubiquitous low neck lines for women (no v-neck t-shirts for men in Europe, as far as I know) and high hem lines, including the inverted V mentioned above. It does not make sense, when we are outraged by the terrible treatment that some women undergo, unwelcome physical contact from strangers, and, of course, rape.
[Did you read about the woman in Iran who, to escape from a rapist, stabbed him ... and was then condemned to be hanged for murder? If he had lived, the rapist would have suffered no punishment, whereas his victim would suffer the stigma for the rest of her life.]

The universal double standard.

Martin

[freefire]

I really like them,it would be nice to find one slightly above knee,with zippered pocket dead center cell phone pocket to the right,and key s holder at waist.And or sun glaas pocket Gael

[STEVIE]

Couya,
Fashion is what it is, there is never going to be a justifiable defence for any assault by the victim "asking for it" by way of their mode of dress.
I don't regard you as a "boring old fart" and my own inclinations lean toward the conservative, but by our very natures we cannot sit in any form of judgement.
The case you mentioned can only be viewed against how the culture in which it has occurred is reported.
What do we really know of the laws and practices of Iran?
Was the guy a rapist, we weren't witnesses, were we? I'll stop there, but I hope I've raised some questions.
For us, as guys in skirts, "take a beating, you asked for it".
It amounts to the same thing, dress wrong, rape or beating it's your own fault.
I really hope I misread this?
Steve.

[dillon]

I like them both. And when they hang from a typical man's waist, they won't be as short as you may fear.

And, yes, as one with a modest belief in Naturalism, I do think there is something in the genetic makeup of women that compels them to be sexually revealing to varying degrees. It makes sense in the nature of reproduction to do so. Concepts of religion and moral modesty are relatively recent developments in the four million year history of human evolution.

[happykilt]

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It is hardly surprising that in some rape cases, the women have been told "they are asking for it" dressing in such a provocative manner.
....

So, you mean:

• - It is hardly surprising if a man gets mugged for dressing in skirt. He is asking for it.
  - It was hardly surprising that a boy dressed in skirt got lit to fire in a bus a while ago. He was asking for it.
  - Lifting a skirts hem on a man and exposing what is under there is totally OK for anyone, especially any woman. He is just asking for it by not wearing ordinary mens wear.

Did I understand your opinion right?

[Sinned]

The example was given as that - an example and admittedly was a bit short. The ones I have seen on the street have been about knee-length and thus that bit longer. I do like the look as it gives that bit of informality. It appears that you either like them or hate them.

I have seen the double look and don't like that as much as it brings too much emphasis towards the genital area and I wouldn't wear one.

As to the l-o-r or r-o-l I wasn't sure how fixed that was in the scheme of things bearing in mind that for kilts it does seem to be.

[Couya]

As I pressed the send button, I had a feeling my lo-concise wording could be misinterpreted.
I wrote : " I am constantly amazed with just how little cloth women can get away with in public places ... where men are expected to cover just about everything and certainly not emphasize anything suggestive."

I am just envious, and if I were a little younger, I'd love to wear less clothes than we are expected to. I am surprised, not critical, by the acceptance of revealing clothes for women, whether in formal gowns or in a piece of string on the beach.

"It is hardly surprising that in some rape cases, the women have been told "they are asking for it" dressing in such a provocative manner."

No, I am a defender of women's rights. Read the sentence again, Happykilt. If my opinion had been that women deserve bad treatment if they are lightly clad, I would not have put " " marks round the words. I think it is absolutely disgraceful that women have been blamed for the trouble they get into. Until recently, in the west*, women were punished by society if they had a baby while unmarried, even though we know they could not do this alone, but the partner-in-crime remained free to live as he wished, without criticism. This still true in many parts of the world, and having just read about the Iranian case, I mentioned it as a horrifying example.

Martin
(* - the predominantly christian west, where virgin Mary has for 2000 years been held up as a shining example of saintly womanhood -- but woe to any woman that followed her example! )

[Couya]

To go back to Sinned's original question; another drawback about buying women's wrap skirts, compared with men's traditional kilts, is that they often do not have enough overlap to make them acceptable. One thigh or other will be exposed, sitting or cycling, for example, and, as we all know, men are not allow to show their thighs.
I am pretty sure this would be the case with the mustard coloured skirt Sinned sent a picture of, so I did not let myself be tempted even at 4£ !

Not long ago, I sent a photo of my brown wrap skirt, which does wrap well round me, because it is a very large size (for very large women), and I am very small. Judging from the position of the button at the waist, if it were worn as intended, there would be only a few cms overlap.

Martin

[Uncle Al]

Just a note about the 'Pointed Material' towards a certain part of the anatomy.
The 'Point' is not intended to emphasize anatomy. It is the top of a filler-piece
of material used when taking a pair of pants and converting them into a skirt.

Once you open the inseam of pants, lay the fabric out on a flat area, you have
a large empty area from the bottom of the zipper down to the "hem-line".
Inserting a triangular piece of material into the "gap" results in the 'arrow pointing
upwards'. Nothing 'suggestive' in this, just practical use of material. Trim off
the excess, add a decent hem at the bottom and you have pants converted into
a decent skirt.

Now......back to my reading

Uncle Al

[skirted_in_SF]

Just a note about the 'Pointed Material' towards a certain part of the anatomy.
The 'Point' is not intended to emphasize anatomy. It is the top of a filler-piece
of material used when taking a pair of pants and converting them into a skirt.

Once you open the inseam of pants, lay the fabric out on a flat area, you have
a large empty area from the bottom of the zipper down to the "hem-line".
Inserting a triangular piece of material into the "gap" results in the 'arrow pointing
upwards'. Nothing 'suggestive' in this, just practical use of material. Trim off
the excess, add a decent hem at the bottom and you have pants converted into
a decent skirt.

Now......back to my reading

Uncle Al

I think what Couya was referring to are skirts made of striped material where the fabric is cut and sewn in a chevron design with one V pointing up in the front and another in the back. I've seen them on the sidewalks here in SF.

[Couya]

To be exact, I was referring to short skirts with W-shaped hemlines at the front. Seen on e-bay while looking out for something to treat myself to -- sans success!
Martin

[Sinned]

I know the skirts that Mrtn is on about and I think that this is an example:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Women-Asymmet ... 1c42ae2b0e

Just to extend the scope of this thread a little. I have seen a lot of these asymmetrical hems around. The ones where the back or one side is a lot longer than the other. I don't really rate then except as a gimmick and I certainly wouldn't wear one. Would anyone else want one? Here's an example:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/NEW-Sexy-Asym ... 2a3d59a129

[dillon]

That first link appeared to be a pair of shorts with an apron front.