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I can certainly vouch for knee boots. Great in the winter!

moonshadow wrote:

JeffB1959 wrote:@moonshadow: I have a pair of women's riding boots (bought from Maryland Square) and they're great fun to wear. By all means, give a pair a try.

I think I just might. Would like to get a pair by next winter anyway, as the seem to be good in colder weather.

Indeed they are. I felt most comfortable in mine during the winter months, and they have a unique style that works well with skirts. Good luck with your search.

female shoes, generally make my feet look smaller, as opposed to men's which make me feel like i'm wearing oversized clown shoes!...

i didn't read the entire thread, but i love and buy from Zappos.com!!..

they carry large sizes, i wear a 12, and they send u a free return label with the shoes!...

whether u want a dif color or size, or even a dif pair, no prob!!..they take them back and send u what u want, no questions!..

YES!...those r REAL furry Uggs!...i own 2 pair, black and blonde!!..

kstny wrote:female shoes, generally make my feet look smaller, as opposed to men's which make me feel like i'm wearing oversized clown shoes!...

That's EXACTLY why I wear women's shoes with my skirts! For me, it's the only way to go, and, more importantly, I look good in heels!

kstny wrote:female shoes, generally make my feet look smaller, as opposed to men's which make me feel like i'm wearing oversized clown shoes!...

i didn't read the entire thread, but i love and buy from Zappos.com!!..

they carry large sizes, i wear a 12, and they send u a free return label with the shoes!...

whether u want a dif color or size, or even a dif pair, no prob!!..they take them back and send u what u want, no questions!..

YES!...those r REAL furry Uggs!...i own 2 pair, black and blonde!!..

But you are a man, aren't you? Are you wishing to look like a woman? As i said, we have to plow a new furrow. We need to be men, and stop imitating some unattainable feminine ideal. Not to be offensive, but you just won't ever look like a woman.

ok, so I think I'll start wearing my women's shoes out in public with my male clothes. I'll start with the flat and work up to 3" pumps.

dillon wrote:

kstny wrote:female shoes, generally make my feet look smaller, as opposed to men's which make me feel like i'm wearing oversized clown shoes!...
i didn't read the entire thread, but i love and buy from Zappos.com!!..
they carry large sizes, i wear a 12, and they send u a free return label with the shoes!...
whether u want a dif color or size, or even a dif pair, no prob!!..they take them back and send u what u want, no questions!..
YES!...those r REAL furry Uggs!...i own 2 pair, black and blonde!!..

But you are a man, aren't you? Are you wishing to look like a woman? As i said, we have to plow a new furrow. We need to be men, and stop imitating some unattainable feminine ideal. Not to be offensive, but you just won't ever look like a woman.

Dillon - respectfully, perhaps you are partly missing the point here. Just because a man likes to wear women's shoes, it doesn't necessarily mean he wants to look like a woman.

I find women's shoes are generally aesthetically more pleasing than men's shoes. In my opinion, so many of the latter tend to be clumpy and stylistically boring; OK for wearing with trousers perhaps, where they will be partly hidden, but I do think they usually look terrible with skirts.

Women's shoes can be stylish, frivolous, serious, beautiful, pretty, plain, colourful, impractical, useful, comfortable, uncomfortable, enhancing the rest of our ensemble, etc, etc... i.e. some or all of these things. There is a huge choice there, and I for one rejoice in that.

As you may gather, I wear women's shoes shoes bought from the women's side of the shop, simply because I LIKE them and I choose to exercise my freedom to wear them. I'm certainly not trying to 'imitate some unattainable feminine ideal'. I guess I am lucky in sizing, because I have small feet (UK size 6) and I can usually find anything I want in my size. My wife who is pretty much the same size as me sometimes borrows my shoes. The only men's footwear I own are my hill walking boots and my steel toecapped industrial rigger's boots.

Stevie D wrote:

dillon wrote:

kstny wrote:female shoes, generally make my feet look smaller, as opposed to men's which make me feel like i'm wearing oversized clown shoes!...
i didn't read the entire thread, but i love and buy from Zappos.com!!..
they carry large sizes, i wear a 12, and they send u a free return label with the shoes!...
whether u want a dif color or size, or even a dif pair, no prob!!..they take them back and send u what u want, no questions!..
YES!...those r REAL furry Uggs!...i own 2 pair, black and blonde!!..

But you are a man, aren't you? Are you wishing to look like a woman? As i said, we have to plow a new furrow. We need to be men, and stop imitating some unattainable feminine ideal. Not to be offensive, but you just won't ever look like a woman.

Dillon - respectfully, perhaps you are partly missing the point here. Just because a man likes to wear women's shoes, it doesn't necessarily mean he wants to look like a woman.

I find women's shoes are generally aesthetically more pleasing than men's shoes. In my opinion, so many of the latter tend to be clumpy and stylistically boring; OK for wearing with trousers perhaps, where they will be partly hidden, but I do think they usually look terrible with skirts.

Women's shoes can be stylish, frivolous, serious, beautiful, pretty, plain, colourful, impractical, useful, comfortable, uncomfortable, enhancing the rest of our ensemble, etc, etc... i.e. some or all of these things. There is a huge choice there, and I for one rejoice in that.

As you may gather, I wear women's shoes shoes bought from the women's side of the shop, simply because I LIKE them and I choose to exercise my freedom to wear them. I'm certainly not trying to 'imitate some unattainable feminine ideal'. I guess I am lucky in sizing, because I have small feet (UK size 6) and I can usually find anything I want in my size. My wife who is pretty much the same size as me sometimes borrows my shoes. The only men's footwear I own are my hill walking boots and my steel toecapped industrial rigger's boots.

It is precisely that sense of aesthetic that is copied from women's fashion. We must adapt to the NATURAL conformation of the MALE if we want to establish a men's fashion alternative. As long as out ideals are based on the way female fashion models look, we are nothing but cross-dressers.

dillon wrote:It is precisely that sense of aesthetic that is copied from women's fashion. We must adapt to the NATURAL conformation of the MALE if we want to establish a men's fashion alternative. As long as out ideals are based on the way female fashion models look, we are nothing but cross-dressers.

Actually wearing only men's shoes could be considered as sexist and wearing women's shoes.

I just think of them as shoes with two different sizing systems.

dillon wrote:It is precisely that sense of aesthetic that is copied from women's fashion. We must adapt to the NATURAL conformation of the MALE if we want to establish a men's fashion alternative. As long as out ideals are based on the way female fashion models look, we are nothing but cross-dressers.

Maybe I'm misunderstanding your perspective here, but, by extension of the above, it could be argued that we are all "crossdressers" for donning a skirt or a dress. To quite a number of people we already are!

It is your prerogative not to wear shoes traditionally from across the aisle, but to say that somebody who wears a skirt and shoes from across the aisle is a cross dresser, yet somebody who only wears a skirt isn't, is, I believe, just ridiculous. There are guys out there who like to wear high-heels, stilettos, knee high boots, ballet pumps, etc, as men. They do so whilst wearing their trousers (pants), with "mens" suits, with the entire rest of their clothing from the "mens" side of the aisle; many of them frequent Hhplace. And you know what? Some of them think any man who wears a skirt (even as a man) is a cross dresser!

Are we not able to support our fellow men on their own sartorial choices, to celebrate diversity?

The words of Pastor Martin Niemöller come to mind and, whilst nobody can foretell the future, there's a chance of President Trump!

A skirt doesn't necessarily have to be from across the aisle, but my point about women's shoes is that there are few of us who can select those. So for many men, if it is a purely feminine ideal that is pursued, then we are doomed to be only "Men who want to imitate women" rather than "Men setting a progressive mark for fashion." To do so excludes many men. A man may reduce his central girth, but not his shoe size. Do you follow?

It is far easier to find a skirt to fit a large man, than feminine pumps, in case you don't. We are not all tinkerbells. Unless you are implying that only the petite men are eligible for skirted fashion.

dillon wrote:A skirt doesn't necessarily have to be from across the aisle, but my point about women's shoes is that there are few of us who can select those. So for many men, if it is a purely feminine ideal that is pursued, then we are doomed to be only "Men who want to imitate women" rather than "Men setting a progressive mark for fashion." To do so excludes many men. A man may reduce his central girth, but not his shoe size. Do you follow?

It is far easier to find a skirt to fit a large man, than feminine pumps, in case you don't. We are not all tinkerbells. Unless you are implying that only the petite men are eligible for skirted fashion.

Thank you for clarifying; I now better understand your thoughts I believe anybody should be entitled to wear whatever they like; be it trousers, pants, skirts, dresses. Colours, too. Why are men limited to sober and sombre blues, blacks, browns, beiges, and greys? I used to have a more flamboyant style, but those days seem to be long gone now.

e.g. Kilted John positively rocks his style; it's not my style, though. JeffB is more along my lines, but not entirely. I'd take some cues from Carl's cultivated fashion, too.

The simple fact that pictures (of successful outfits, or not) are posted by our members means we can learn from others and develop our own style.

Disaffected.citizen wrote:The simple fact that pictures (of successful outfits, or not) are posted by our members means we can learn from others and develop our own style.

That was part of the rationale behind the entire idea of the "Pics and Looks" section. Ideally, we'd over time not just post our "successful attempts" but also some of our lame (or worse) ones so everybody could learn.

Over the years, I've laid some pretty massive eggs when it comes to outfits -- and I've been rightly horrified by the view from the camera, even though a look in the mirror seemed OK. This is the reason I recommend the use of camera-shots rather than mirrors: mirrors lie to us (or, more to the point, we let them). In a mirror, w see ourselves as we'd like to see ourselves; the camera is not so kind. In retrospect, I'm sorry that I deleted all the camera shots of abjectly failed experiments. They'd be good for a laugh (or a cringe).

Fellas.... you know what they say... "if the shoe fits... WEAR IT!"

I will admit, I had somewhat of a crossdressing complex when I first started wearing skirts (and the genesis of my membership here). The strictest definition of crossdresser, that being a person whom wears clothing meant for the opposite sex I feel would apply to at least 80% of members here, basically anyone who strays beyond the mens kilt.

That being said, I hold to the more practical definition of crossdresser, and that being one who attempts to "appear as" the opposite sex. I have explored the crossdresser website forums, and I can tell you... THERE IS A DIFFERENCE in what we do, vs what they do, in every way shape and form.

Regarding style, I feel it's up to each of us to decide what we wear and how we wear it. To me, that's what mens fashion freedom is all about! If you can find an awesome pair of ladies foot wear that fits and you like it... then by all means- ROCK IT!

Yes, you can probably look at some old post of mine and seen where I said "oh no... women's shoes? NOT FOR ME, or women's blouses? NOT FOR ME..." Then I started to find shoes and tops that ACTUALLY FIT from the women's side of the store, and I realized that these additional items of clothing and footwear really bring the whole outfit together, and lo and behold... they were actually more comfortable!! So these days, I could care less of society wants to call me a crossdresser. They can call me whatever they want... I'm having a blast anyway!

And don't forget, high heels were once a mens shoe.

It's all really quite arbitrary... so as Ian (Milfmog) says... HAVE FUN!

dillon wrote:It is precisely that sense of aesthetic that is copied from women's fashion. We must adapt to the NATURAL conformation of the MALE if we want to establish a men's fashion alternative. As long as out ideals are based on the way female fashion models look, we are nothing but cross-dressers.

And what about girls or women who wear plaid shirts with tees underneath, baggy jeans with the cuffs rolled up and Doc Maartens? Aren't they crossdressers because they want to look like men? Let's face it, when we don skirts, we're ALL crossdressing, plain and simple. Wanna know something? I don't care. I refuse to waste my time worrying about labels, that's all crap. While I wear women's items, including shoes from head to toe, I'm still very much a man, the clothes don't degrade my gender, I don't seek or pretend to be anything but a man, if people want to chide me for crossdressing when I'm out and about (no one ever has, but, I've gotten compliments on my attire), hey, that's their business, doesn't matter one iota to me. I adapt to no conformation other than being who I am, strive for no ideal save for my own, I'm out to establish my own fashion alternative, not anyone else's.