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I get frustrated that my wife says I look really good in them yet I can't yet wear them out of the house
I went through a similar period with Carole. She did not stop me going out skirted but equally she would not go out with me when I was skirted. My response was to wear skirts at home as often as possible (ie almost all the time) until she got so used to me skirted that when we did a quick dash to the video shop one evening she did not realise what I was wearing until we got back. Then she realised that nobody had even raised an eyebrow at my clothing and she started to calm down about the idea. Now she's pretty flexible about it (we've just come back from doing the weekly shop, me skirted as usual ).
So don't give up, but be prepared to take enough time for her to get really comfortable with you skirted first.
Good luck and have fun,
Ian.
Do not argue with idiots; they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Cogito ergo sum - Descartes
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - Ambrose Bierce
Milfmog wrote:
I went through a similar period with Carole. She did not stop me going out skirted but equally she would not go out with me when I was skirted. My response was to wear skirts at home as often as possible (ie almost all the time) until she got so used to me skirted that when we did a quick dash to the video shop one evening she did not realise what I was wearing until we got back. Then she realised that nobody had even raised an eyebrow at my clothing and she started to calm down about the idea. Now she's pretty flexible about it (we've just come back from doing the weekly shop, me skirted as usual ).
Ian.
I'm on a similar path but not so far down it. My wife doesn't usually mind me going out in a kilt on my own, but wouldn't normally go out with me in one. She has dropped her guard one or twice and hopefully noticed that it wasn't a problem, but that is still the exception.
Thank you all for your submissions. I feel better that there are others out there who are going through a similar situation.
couyalair
She is insecure but has no reason to be. She always has been but that's just her nature as I have given her no reason to be. I tell her that I love her several times each day and we do lots of things together. Her only complaint is that I don't talk enough to her but after 36 years of marriage and I am a quiet person it's difficult to know what to talk about. The conflicting message I get is the fact that she recently sorted out some of HER skirts for ME. She takes a slightly bigger size so I have to wear a belt with them but we are both losing weight so I can pass them back to her.
Milfmog
I generally get changed into a skirt when I get home so I think that she's getting used to me being so clothed. She still mentions about changing if we have to go out but she has said nothing if we have to go somewhere in the car and I don't need to get out of it. I'm hoping that as you say one day she will forget and not realise. I would still keep a pair of trousers in the car in case she gets loses her nerve. Strange that it's her confidence that I have to build up, not mine. I don't want to force the issue so she gets upset about it. Time, I think will be the most contributing factor in my favour.
We are thinking of going to Butlins ( for you non-English it's a famous holiday camp ) with my wife, daughter and her 3 children between Christmas and New Year for 4 days and I am thinking of raising the possibility with my wife of me bing skirted some or all of the time. This would be on the basis that no-one there would know us and I think it would be a good opportunity for both my wife and I to judge other people's reactions or non-reactions to this. It's a closed environment of people from all over England so is an opportunity to increase my confidence and hers. I've just got to wait for the trip to be booked and the right time and way to broach the issue. Aside from that for winter I am looking for black and white crinkled skirts to keep me warm. I am also looking to make my own skirts although I realise that I am going to have to thin out my skirt collection. I am in the situation that I can't possibly wear them all and if I'm honest, as much as I like each one that I've bought some I like more than others.
Sinned
I believe in offering every assistance short of actual help but then mainly just want to be left to be myself in all my difference and uniqueness.
I have not been to Butlins but have stayed at a couple of similar Hoseasons sites. Kilts proved to be an enormous asset in getting recognised and were an excellent conversation starter. My clothing choices never presented any issues (apart from one very windy day when keeping everything down took a certain amount of care ). Carole was quite happy with that since we were away from home as you say. The only occasion she wanted me to wear trousers was the evening we went out for a nice meal and when she came in to ask me to change into trousers she found I already had (I would have preferred to wear a smart skirt, but knowing how she likes to get glammed up I thought it would be a good idea to do things her way).
What I did not do was ask Carole for permission to take a kilt with me. I simply wore one for comfort on the drive (it was a few hours) and when we arrived at the site she did not register it until it was too late to stop me going into the reception area. I had packed a couple of skirts and another kilt as well as a couple of pairs of trousers so I had all options covered if necessary.
Good luck,
Ian.
Do not argue with idiots; they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Cogito ergo sum - Descartes
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - Ambrose Bierce
Going to the holiday camp, where, as you said, no-one will know you, should be a good opportunity to wear your skirts. Especially at the festive season when people are more relaxed.
You will still get noticed of course, but I'm sure no-one will mind.
I hope it will work out for you.
Milfmog wrote:What I did not do was ask Carole for permission to take a kilt with me. I simply wore one for comfort on the drive (it was a few hours) and when we arrived at the site she did not register it until it was too late to stop me going into the reception area.
Oh, I wish my wife was so unobservant! The last time she forgot to ask me to change into trousers when we went out in the car, it was only about two minutes before she noticed I was still skirted. I thought she was going to have a fit and demand that we went back home so I could change, but it was only a quick trip to the supermarket so she put up with me as I was. However she moaned about it an awful lot! Of course I was refused entry to the supermarket and she was utterly vindicated she noticed lots of people giving me funny looks from behind, where I couldn't see them.
Milfmog wrote:What I did not do was ask Carole for permission to take a kilt with me. I simply wore one for comfort on the drive (it was a few hours) and when we arrived at the site she did not register it until it was too late to stop me going into the reception area.
Oh, I wish my wife was so unobservant!
That was not unobservant; she knew what I was wearing when we left home, but by the time we arrived three and a half hours later, she was totally acclimatised to it and a few simple ruses ("look out for signs", "Can you see where reception is?" "Wow, that slide by the pool looks good"....) kept her mind outside the car until it was too late. Sneakey? Me?
Of course I was refused entry to the supermarket and she was utterly vindicated she noticed lots of people giving me funny looks from behind, where I couldn't see them.
But no harm was done by it. You got your shopping, no one had a heart attack or threatened anyone in any way and at worst you brightened up a few peoples day. Where was the harm in that? Carole has now more or less got that message (apart from when she's uptight about something else) but it has taken a while. You have to remember that your wife gets far less exposure to other peoples reactions than you do; so it will take her a little longer to accumulate the same levels of confidence you have.
Have fun,
Ian.
Do not argue with idiots; they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Cogito ergo sum - Descartes
Cogito cogito ergo cogito sum - Ambrose Bierce
RichardA said: The postman didn't notice me this morning, I was wearing a short button through denim skirt
Just a moment of curiosity here...Richard, what DOES a SHORT BUTTON through denim skirt look like? Having never seen a "short button" before I'm quite curious.
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I spent a couple of hours in Wells(Somerset) wearing a long denim skirt. Most people I think did not register that I was wearing a skirt. The only ones who noticed were in some of the shops I visited.
I was at Home Depot getting a new door handle/lock-set when an
African-American couple were walking towards me. As they passed,
he asked if I was Irish. (He was referring to the Denim, A-Line,
below-the-knee, skirt I was wearing.)
I said; "I have Irish & Scottish ancestors, but this (skirt) is a lot more
comfortable than trousers could ever be."
They both smiled and nodded their heads in agreement. The smile on his wife's face was "Priceless"
Uncle Al
Kilted Organist/Musician
Grand Musician of the Grand Lodge, I.O.O.F. of Texas 2008-2025
When asked 'Why the Kilt?'
I respond-The why is F.T.H.O.I. (For The H--- Of It)
what DOES a SHORT BUTTON through denim skirt look like? Having never seen a "short button" before I'm quite curious.
It depends on where you look.
At the lower end of the garment, a short button looks exactly like any other button.
Further up, they can't quite reach, so if you look REALLY carefully, you'll see a tiny set of stepladders underneath each short button.
The phrase should be "short <pause> button through denim skirt" But I see where you are coming from.
Just to confuse me a bit more my wife saw the ebay page for a long skirt I was looking at and said "I thought the idea was to show your gorgeous legs off and the thick tights were to keep youir legs warm. Now you want to wear a long skirt to cover them up." So I have given up on the long skirt for the moment. Again she suggested my moving out so that I could take my skirts with me. To say that I'm getting mixed messages is an understatement. I don't know whether I'm coming or going.
Sinned
I believe in offering every assistance short of actual help but then mainly just want to be left to be myself in all my difference and uniqueness.
I was at the supermarket till the other evening wearing a denim skirt - the till operator looked at me a bit odd. I thought in a minute she will say something about my skirt. But it really took me aback when she said 'you have grown a moustache since you were in haven't you'. I said yes I have and left it at that.
Over the weekend we had a number of house guests, namely a plumber, HVAC, pest-control, and another HVAC, and I was skirted the entire time for each one of them, all men. None of them seemed to even bat an eye about it. I figured that it's my house, there's no reason why I need to be concerned about it. Besides, I was paying them to be there to do a job, and I was painting bedrooms all through the weekend. A skirt was much more comfy than pants.
My wife is quite used to me being in a skirt (at home anyway) as I've been doing it for 10 or more years. But I've only been out with her skirted a few times and I'm not sure how she felt about it. She seemed to not be very concerned about it, but it's hard to tell. She hasn't said anything. But it seems as though many of our wives are very leary of us going out skirted, I guess they feel that we'll be made fun of, or they will get un-due attention because of our attire. We don't care if they go out wearing pants. What if the next time we refuse to let them go out wearing pants, they have to wear a skirt or dress. How'd they feel about it? They'd probably think it's rediculous. But that's the way we feel about their attitudes.
Eborian wrote:I spent a couple of hours in Wells(Somerset) wearing a long denim skirt. Most people I think did not register that I was wearing a skirt. The only ones who noticed were in some of the shops I visited.
I normally wear a denim kilt around Wells (my home town) so perhaps they've been 'softened up'
Give us a shout next time you visit the metropolis and perhaps we could meet up for coffee.
Charlie